Kenny Hayes
Member
Amazing new vlm machine
- Thread starter Charles Heaberlin
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Cleanworks
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Where I'm at, probably very few and I suspect it will be the same in warm weather places. In cold weather climates, you will see many more using VLM just because you don't have to worry about your truck mount freezing. As Sam was saying, if you have both, often hwe is quicker and more efficient.
Bryce C
DFW
I am amazed at how quickly and easily I move in and out of a home now that I am using a truckmount. I still take my time with vacuuming and all the works. It just sets up and cleans so darn well. I can only imagine when I get real heat on that thing soon. Personally I feel way more confident and valuable going to each job now.
Charles Heaberlin
Member
I'll have to dig. I have other videos, even some with it being run with 2 hands. But you can see here how easy the Echo is to use.
pablomoreno
Member
What differentiates it from John G’s old machines?Looks similar. I have two of John’s machines. A Profit and a Champ. What I found was fastest in big commercial buildings was a Mytee variable speed rotary with 3 gallon solution tank and front wide spray nozzle it has a lever on the left side handle to spray cleaning solution. You can also angle the spray tip in you want to walk it sideways..slower speeds make the pads really hook up.
pablomoreno
Member
Buying an ATP meter to measure the bacteria count before and after cleaning made me move away from hot water extraction. Why? Bacteria live in our carpets and eat our flaked off dead skin. They build their colony’s in places where there is more food. When you blast a carpet with Hot water, you blow the bacteria present into the backing where the multiply in the presence of ample food (our dead skin) and moisture. The bacteria population grows rapidly in the presence both food and water…
The threshold for a clean environment is 200 cfu ( Colony forming units) of bacteria. Anything higher is unclean. I used to clean the carpet areas in a big Mall down in Daly City. The swabs taken before cleaning on the toys in the play area averaged 700 cfu. Seriously dirty. A woman complained that her boy got sick every time he went to the play area in the mall. I usually tested 4 different areas. After cleaning with a low moisture nano partical cleaner, the highest reading I could get on my atp meter was was 91 cfu, 200 Cfu being the thredjold for clean. Rent or borrow an ATP meter… it will tell you how present the enemy is that you can’t see…
Charles Heaberlin
Member
As you know I've built John's machines for over 10 years and worked with him since the days of the Profit, cm and the Conquerer. I designed the Echo from some of those older ideas, the 15 inch pad driver for better balance, wheels up for better maneuvering around anything. But I gave it a larger oscillation and designed it to be lighter than the older ones for the purpose of going up stairs. My goal was 90 pounds because I knew it would cancel most of the vibration at the handle making it smoother and easier to use even with the larger oscillation. And because its only 90 pounds and a couple other modifications it can be pulled up stairs with one hand. Thats never happened before with a Trinity.
Mikey P
Administrator
Can you be more specific to what this actually means?
Are you referring to the pres praying process where many cleaners use 300 to 500psi to heavily "soak" the carpet fibers, or..
The wand rinsing process at usually the same psi..
Did you test behind your work, and or others?
Dud chemistry residue come into place?
Slow dry times?
Wand type or wand technique?
Size of truckmount?
And probably most "dangerous" is the fact that a VLM'd carpet dries in a few hours worse case. (with heavily worked coffee stains being the over night exception)
Compared to HWE taking 24 hours at best, typically.
Obsessive cleaners with big trucks, fans, hole Glides and lots of dry strokes can get a carpet dry much quicker, but in a commercial setting, few to none with take the time.
Your example of the kiddie play area was likely filthy and needed excessive wanding. Did you test other area in that mall?
I’m glad I never hot water extract mall carpet. My cleaning might give a kid hepatitis or aids
That would probably test better.
Customers would complain and never call is back if we all just buffed them.
Imagine what a rug doctor does.
Humid homes are the problem. Plumbing leaks pet urine spilled drinks slab foundations improper vented furnaces leaky humidifiers sewer blockages bad roofs stove vents not working. The list goes on.
Dry homes dry fast.
We dont create the bacteria we can make it grow though.
My opinion.
Dry homes dry fast.
We dont create the bacteria we can make it grow though.
My opinion.
If they don’t know how to properly use a wand set at the specific flow and pressure, yes over wetting is a big problem.
Nate The Great
Member
Greenie used to say, You can't over-wet carpet, only under-dry it..
Look at them CD boys, using rx20's @ 200psi......... If they over-wet a carpet, just quit your day job already!
Mikey P
Administrator
I suppose that true with area rugs, but if the subfloors gets wet, it's gonna take a while unless you lift the carpet.
Ask any restoration pro why...
I just finished a job today for a plumber that flooded 4 apartments testing the plumbing theyr epaired on a fire job that happened last year. Carpets should have been pulled then old and worn anyway.
I extracted 2 ground floor units but no electricity so I didnt do the drying. Other building next door is still wet and moldy. It hurt my lungs to go in.
Anyway the got the two dry and wanted me to clean and disinfectant so I soaked them with odorcide then did a quick clean wanting to leave them damp on purpose.
The first unit was dry by the time I got the second done maybe 90 minutes. The second was almost dry by tge door after packing up.
I soaked these carpets on purpose but because the dehumidifiers dried them so much the moisture dried up fast.
I dont think the product got the backing wet at all. The fibers sucked it all up.
Ive had homes like that but had ones that felt damp when I started and I tried to prevent overwetting but they took a couple days to dry. I had told the customer at one in advance and she later discovered her humidifier drain was plugged and leaked under the carpet on a slab.
Dry homes dry fast humid homes dry slow from my experience.
I extracted 2 ground floor units but no electricity so I didnt do the drying. Other building next door is still wet and moldy. It hurt my lungs to go in.
Anyway the got the two dry and wanted me to clean and disinfectant so I soaked them with odorcide then did a quick clean wanting to leave them damp on purpose.
The first unit was dry by the time I got the second done maybe 90 minutes. The second was almost dry by tge door after packing up.
I soaked these carpets on purpose but because the dehumidifiers dried them so much the moisture dried up fast.
I dont think the product got the backing wet at all. The fibers sucked it all up.
Ive had homes like that but had ones that felt damp when I started and I tried to prevent overwetting but they took a couple days to dry. I had told the customer at one in advance and she later discovered her humidifier drain was plugged and leaked under the carpet on a slab.
Dry homes dry fast humid homes dry slow from my experience.
Nate The Great
Member
Yes you don't wet the subfloor.. The MOR machines were made to do wall to wall carpeting back in the days.. You'd uninstall it and go get it cleaned..
Anyhow, I wonder what Ron "Lippy" would say these days............ Does carpet washing ring a bell? 24flow....
